1 00:00:05,269 --> 00:00:02,840 hi everyone this is Martin Willis of 2 00:00:08,750 --> 00:00:05,279 podcast UFO and welcome to episode 3 00:00:11,930 --> 00:00:08,760 number 12 today's guest is dr. Robert E 4 00:00:14,930 --> 00:00:11,940 Ferrell and he has written a number of 5 00:00:17,180 --> 00:00:14,940 books and has great fairy on UFO 6 00:00:18,860 --> 00:00:17,190 propulsion please listen to us on 7 00:00:21,260 --> 00:00:18,870 stitcher on your smartphone's we have a 8 00:00:24,560 --> 00:00:21,270 nap right on our website that's for free 9 00:00:26,240 --> 00:00:24,570 and please do rate us on iTunes if you 10 00:00:29,210 --> 00:00:26,250 get a chance your feedback is always 11 00:00:32,510 --> 00:00:29,220 welcome and you can email us at info at 12 00:00:49,060 --> 00:00:32,520 podcast UFO calm thank you and I hope 13 00:00:55,910 --> 00:00:52,520 hi everyone I have dr. Robert E Farrell 14 00:00:57,890 --> 00:00:55,920 on skype how you doing dr. Farrell I'm 15 00:01:00,770 --> 00:00:57,900 doing fine thank you thanks for joining 16 00:01:02,540 --> 00:01:00,780 us and let's talk quickly about you have 17 00:01:04,640 --> 00:01:02,550 a new book that's out and it's on the 18 00:01:06,080 --> 00:01:04,650 best sellers list right well actually I 19 00:01:08,720 --> 00:01:06,090 have three books that made the best 20 00:01:12,380 --> 00:01:08,730 seller list the first to our novels 21 00:01:14,990 --> 00:01:12,390 first one being alien log the second one 22 00:01:17,270 --> 00:01:15,000 is alien log to the New World Order and 23 00:01:19,100 --> 00:01:17,280 then the third book is nonfiction and 24 00:01:20,780 --> 00:01:19,110 that's the science behind alien 25 00:01:23,810 --> 00:01:20,790 encounters and that just came out this 26 00:01:26,390 --> 00:01:23,820 year I like the title of that actually a 27 00:01:30,680 --> 00:01:26,400 lot because I think I think science does 28 00:01:34,870 --> 00:01:30,690 not look at UFOs and not too hard anyway 29 00:01:38,090 --> 00:01:34,880 as of yet and you have some amazing 30 00:01:41,240 --> 00:01:38,100 insight on how they propel themselves 31 00:01:42,920 --> 00:01:41,250 which I guess is probably the number one 32 00:01:45,620 --> 00:01:42,930 question that comes up how do they get 33 00:01:48,200 --> 00:01:45,630 here if they can if they're limited to 34 00:01:51,710 --> 00:01:48,210 light speed how can they make a right 35 00:01:53,270 --> 00:01:51,720 angle turn at 2,000 miles an hour and 36 00:01:57,139 --> 00:01:53,280 stuff like that can you explain your 37 00:01:58,850 --> 00:01:57,149 your theories on that yeah when I became 38 00:02:00,740 --> 00:01:58,860 a believer which was so long ago I don't 39 00:02:02,510 --> 00:02:00,750 even remember you know I've always 40 00:02:05,440 --> 00:02:02,520 believed that there had to be other life 41 00:02:07,040 --> 00:02:05,450 out there just the vastness and 42 00:02:08,779 --> 00:02:07,050 astronomers are beginning to believe 43 00:02:12,320 --> 00:02:08,789 that there may be more planets in our 44 00:02:14,630 --> 00:02:12,330 galaxy than there are stars so certainly 45 00:02:17,330 --> 00:02:14,640 it makes sense and i don't think i've 46 00:02:19,010 --> 00:02:17,340 ever heard anyone argue lately that 47 00:02:21,770 --> 00:02:19,020 there isn't other life out there and 48 00:02:23,210 --> 00:02:21,780 given the range of life of stars are Our 49 00:02:26,360 --> 00:02:23,220 Stars kind of in the middle of its life 50 00:02:28,490 --> 00:02:26,370 this got to be stars with planets in the 51 00:02:31,220 --> 00:02:28,500 habitable zone that are perhaps a 52 00:02:32,750 --> 00:02:31,230 billion years or more older than us so 53 00:02:35,000 --> 00:02:32,760 therefore there's got to be intelligence 54 00:02:36,950 --> 00:02:35,010 out there that's way beyond us in their 55 00:02:38,809 --> 00:02:36,960 technology and therefore would have 56 00:02:41,570 --> 00:02:38,819 craft that could be flying around and 57 00:02:43,309 --> 00:02:41,580 people report so okay I accept the fact 58 00:02:46,190 --> 00:02:43,319 that there's life out there and probably 59 00:02:48,140 --> 00:02:46,200 they are visiting us then the question 60 00:02:51,050 --> 00:02:48,150 is how can they do some of these things 61 00:02:56,330 --> 00:02:51,060 and the hunter g acceleration and right 62 00:02:57,920 --> 00:02:56,340 angle turns really led me to understand 63 00:02:59,390 --> 00:02:57,930 how they do that because there's only 64 00:03:01,370 --> 00:02:59,400 one way they can do that in my opinion 65 00:03:02,450 --> 00:03:01,380 there's only one way they could 66 00:03:05,090 --> 00:03:02,460 accelerate it 100 67 00:03:07,460 --> 00:03:05,100 geez without damage to the vehicle or 68 00:03:09,920 --> 00:03:07,470 the occupants and that is they're using 69 00:03:11,480 --> 00:03:09,930 gravitational field propulsion because 70 00:03:13,220 --> 00:03:11,490 if you're using gravity field propulsion 71 00:03:16,070 --> 00:03:13,230 whether it's a negative field or a 72 00:03:18,490 --> 00:03:16,080 positive field you are simply free 73 00:03:21,290 --> 00:03:18,500 falling into or away from that field 74 00:03:23,810 --> 00:03:21,300 it's analogous to jumping out of a plane 75 00:03:27,650 --> 00:03:23,820 if you were in an airplane flying over 76 00:03:29,180 --> 00:03:27,660 Jupiter or some large planet that has 77 00:03:31,520 --> 00:03:29,190 let's say 50 times the pull of gravity 78 00:03:34,580 --> 00:03:31,530 and you jump out of the plane you're 79 00:03:36,610 --> 00:03:34,590 going to freefall toward that planet but 80 00:03:38,930 --> 00:03:36,620 you'll have no sensation of acceleration 81 00:03:40,760 --> 00:03:38,940 just as our astronauts floating in space 82 00:03:42,170 --> 00:03:40,770 when they do a spacewalk that they are 83 00:03:45,470 --> 00:03:42,180 actually accelerating toward our planet 84 00:03:47,090 --> 00:03:45,480 at about 1 G if they were circling some 85 00:03:50,090 --> 00:03:47,100 other larger planet it would be a higher 86 00:03:51,470 --> 00:03:50,100 g-force but yet they're free falling so 87 00:03:54,230 --> 00:03:51,480 if you have the ability to create this 88 00:03:56,570 --> 00:03:54,240 field that you either fall into or fall 89 00:03:58,730 --> 00:03:56,580 away from you just point the field in 90 00:04:00,260 --> 00:03:58,740 the direction you want to go and you 91 00:04:01,400 --> 00:04:00,270 accelerate in that direction but you 92 00:04:03,290 --> 00:04:01,410 don't even realize you're accelerating 93 00:04:06,200 --> 00:04:03,300 and if you want to make a right angle 94 00:04:08,210 --> 00:04:06,210 turn you point the field at right angles 95 00:04:09,950 --> 00:04:08,220 and you start free falling in that 96 00:04:11,990 --> 00:04:09,960 direction and I'm not claiming they make 97 00:04:14,240 --> 00:04:12,000 exactly right angle turns there's no 98 00:04:15,920 --> 00:04:14,250 evidence for that but it's near right 99 00:04:18,500 --> 00:04:15,930 angle it's certainly a sharp return then 100 00:04:24,230 --> 00:04:18,510 we can we can imagine our airplanes or 101 00:04:25,940 --> 00:04:24,240 our pilots surviving so so the fact is 102 00:04:27,440 --> 00:04:25,950 that there's only one way they can 103 00:04:29,810 --> 00:04:27,450 propel themselves that way and that's 104 00:04:33,440 --> 00:04:29,820 what gravitational fields and there's 105 00:04:35,090 --> 00:04:33,450 other evidence to support that and I can 106 00:04:38,620 --> 00:04:35,100 talk about that right now if you'd like 107 00:04:40,790 --> 00:04:38,630 yeah we can week okay well let's see 108 00:04:43,430 --> 00:04:40,800 other evidence that they are using 109 00:04:44,990 --> 00:04:43,440 gravitational fields and more 110 00:04:48,710 --> 00:04:45,000 specifically negative gravitational 111 00:04:50,960 --> 00:04:48,720 fields I've given over 60 lectures on 112 00:04:53,840 --> 00:04:50,970 this object and one of the slides that I 113 00:04:56,840 --> 00:04:53,850 show is it's two shots two photographs 114 00:04:59,240 --> 00:04:56,850 taken by the same photographer maybe a 115 00:05:01,580 --> 00:04:59,250 minute apart or maybe ten seconds apart 116 00:05:04,220 --> 00:05:01,590 I don't know but it's a UFO over a field 117 00:05:07,630 --> 00:05:04,230 and it's kicking up dust you can see the 118 00:05:10,040 --> 00:05:07,640 dust being kicked up from the field and 119 00:05:13,490 --> 00:05:10,050 underneath the craft in a circular area 120 00:05:14,380 --> 00:05:13,500 there's a zone that seems to be clear of 121 00:05:17,000 --> 00:05:14,390 the dust 122 00:05:19,010 --> 00:05:17,010 well if you imagine that they are 123 00:05:20,900 --> 00:05:19,020 creating a negative gravitational field 124 00:05:23,510 --> 00:05:20,910 it would be expelling anything in that 125 00:05:25,760 --> 00:05:23,520 zone it's that negative in the field is 126 00:05:27,950 --> 00:05:25,770 that's giving the lift to the to the 127 00:05:31,670 --> 00:05:27,960 craft but it's also expelling everything 128 00:05:35,120 --> 00:05:31,680 underneath it including air so there's 129 00:05:37,670 --> 00:05:35,130 two xuxa photographs of that and in both 130 00:05:39,980 --> 00:05:37,680 of them you can see the same event so if 131 00:05:42,080 --> 00:05:39,990 you now say okay maybe they use negative 132 00:05:46,040 --> 00:05:42,090 fields what's what other evidence is for 133 00:05:49,070 --> 00:05:46,050 that well people who have UFOs fly over 134 00:05:50,810 --> 00:05:49,080 their head low low over the head have 135 00:05:53,270 --> 00:05:50,820 often reported that they've had this 136 00:05:55,670 --> 00:05:53,280 feeling of being pressed down well 137 00:05:58,340 --> 00:05:55,680 because of the negative field another 138 00:05:59,960 --> 00:05:58,350 thing that supports that is there have 139 00:06:04,670 --> 00:05:59,970 been occasions where people have come 140 00:06:06,710 --> 00:06:04,680 upon a UFO or on to the area where UFO 141 00:06:09,290 --> 00:06:06,720 had been seen hovering over a shallow 142 00:06:11,840 --> 00:06:09,300 body of water and when they got there 143 00:06:14,960 --> 00:06:11,850 the body of water was frozen so how do 144 00:06:16,610 --> 00:06:14,970 they do that really oh yeah well if they 145 00:06:18,440 --> 00:06:16,620 have a negative field under the craft 146 00:06:20,540 --> 00:06:18,450 because they're hovering low over this 147 00:06:24,200 --> 00:06:20,550 body of water I don't know maybe a foot 148 00:06:26,330 --> 00:06:24,210 above the surface all the air is being 149 00:06:28,159 --> 00:06:26,340 expelled underneath them creating a low 150 00:06:30,020 --> 00:06:28,169 pressure region and you know what 151 00:06:31,460 --> 00:06:30,030 happens to water when you lower the 152 00:06:34,510 --> 00:06:31,470 pressure the water begins to evaporate 153 00:06:37,700 --> 00:06:34,520 very fast it might even start boiling 154 00:06:39,470 --> 00:06:37,710 but the evaporation process carries heat 155 00:06:40,909 --> 00:06:39,480 away from that body of water that's the 156 00:06:43,370 --> 00:06:40,919 whole principle of evaporative cooling 157 00:06:44,870 --> 00:06:43,380 mmm eventually the num heat is taking 158 00:06:47,750 --> 00:06:44,880 away from that body of water that it 159 00:06:49,700 --> 00:06:47,760 freezes so that's again evidence that 160 00:06:52,310 --> 00:06:49,710 they have a negative field another 161 00:06:53,810 --> 00:06:52,320 another possibility for negative field 162 00:06:55,520 --> 00:06:53,820 would be the fact that they can travel 163 00:07:00,590 --> 00:06:55,530 thousands of miles an hour without 164 00:07:02,240 --> 00:07:00,600 creating a shockwave right now we create 165 00:07:05,000 --> 00:07:02,250 shock waves with our aircraft because 166 00:07:06,830 --> 00:07:05,010 the way we transmit the signal ahead of 167 00:07:08,650 --> 00:07:06,840 the plane to tell molecules to get out 168 00:07:11,930 --> 00:07:08,660 of the way is through a pressure wave 169 00:07:14,720 --> 00:07:11,940 higher pressure and that signal can only 170 00:07:16,580 --> 00:07:14,730 travel at the speed of sound no faster 171 00:07:19,280 --> 00:07:16,590 so if the airplane reaches the speed of 172 00:07:21,380 --> 00:07:19,290 sound and it's not signaling advanced 173 00:07:23,840 --> 00:07:21,390 notice that it's coming and the air 174 00:07:26,630 --> 00:07:23,850 molecules crash up against the craft and 175 00:07:27,430 --> 00:07:26,640 create a shockwave but if you had a way 176 00:07:28,960 --> 00:07:27,440 to 177 00:07:30,850 --> 00:07:28,970 or worn these molecules that you're 178 00:07:34,120 --> 00:07:30,860 coming and give them enough time to 179 00:07:36,460 --> 00:07:34,130 galloway a way that to do this using 180 00:07:38,800 --> 00:07:36,470 something that is faster than the speed 181 00:07:41,770 --> 00:07:38,810 of sound like like a gravitational field 182 00:07:43,570 --> 00:07:41,780 it's it's actually faster than talk 183 00:07:45,760 --> 00:07:43,580 about that later but it's been measured 184 00:07:47,650 --> 00:07:45,770 at being faster than the speed of light 185 00:07:49,660 --> 00:07:47,660 but at any rate it's certainly fast 186 00:07:51,550 --> 00:07:49,670 enough that these molecules now have 187 00:07:54,610 --> 00:07:51,560 time to get out of the way and you don't 188 00:07:58,080 --> 00:07:54,620 create a shockwave and in fact the 189 00:08:01,170 --> 00:07:58,090 airflow around the craft is what 190 00:08:05,050 --> 00:08:01,180 aerodynamicist would refer to as a pure 191 00:08:07,870 --> 00:08:05,060 rotational flow another way it's very 192 00:08:09,370 --> 00:08:07,880 low drag so not only do they not create 193 00:08:11,440 --> 00:08:09,380 a shockwave but they don't really have 194 00:08:16,210 --> 00:08:11,450 as much drag on them as our craft would 195 00:08:18,670 --> 00:08:16,220 have so something has been measured has 196 00:08:21,730 --> 00:08:18,680 this been peer reviewed over the speed 197 00:08:24,100 --> 00:08:21,740 of light uh well that gets into another 198 00:08:26,110 --> 00:08:24,110 subject and I'd like to reserve that if 199 00:08:28,630 --> 00:08:26,120 I could as far as the faster than the 200 00:08:31,270 --> 00:08:28,640 speed of light yeah because of the if we 201 00:08:33,969 --> 00:08:31,280 want to discuss Eugene put clutton offs 202 00:08:36,010 --> 00:08:33,979 research over in Finland where he's 203 00:08:38,350 --> 00:08:36,020 actually producing gravitational fields 204 00:08:42,670 --> 00:08:38,360 and he's the one that measured the speed 205 00:08:46,390 --> 00:08:42,680 of his negative pulse at 64 c 64 times 206 00:08:48,430 --> 00:08:46,400 the speed of light and i can't say 207 00:08:50,200 --> 00:08:48,440 that's been peer-reviewed he's published 208 00:08:53,830 --> 00:08:50,210 and in fact i think he's coming out with 209 00:08:55,300 --> 00:08:53,840 an article soon in regards to his 210 00:08:58,720 --> 00:08:55,310 research but he's been doing this 211 00:09:00,880 --> 00:08:58,730 research for years in fact nasa and 212 00:09:03,220 --> 00:09:00,890 boeing were interested in it and my 213 00:09:05,650 --> 00:09:03,230 understanding was that nasa tried to 214 00:09:08,380 --> 00:09:05,660 duplicate his work but because they 215 00:09:10,750 --> 00:09:08,390 weren't using superconductors of the 216 00:09:13,329 --> 00:09:10,760 appropriate size they weren't able to 217 00:09:15,730 --> 00:09:13,339 get good results now one of but button 218 00:09:16,870 --> 00:09:15,740 nose specialties is material science 219 00:09:19,120 --> 00:09:16,880 that's what he develops his 220 00:09:22,350 --> 00:09:19,130 superconductors so he's developed at me 221 00:09:25,420 --> 00:09:22,360 a way of creating a relatively large 222 00:09:27,520 --> 00:09:25,430 ceramic superconductor that's on the 223 00:09:30,300 --> 00:09:27,530 order of four inches in diameter and and 224 00:09:32,829 --> 00:09:30,310 it will withstand up to 30,000 rpm 225 00:09:36,630 --> 00:09:32,839 rotation speed and that's critical in 226 00:09:40,870 --> 00:09:36,640 his mind to create significant amount of 227 00:09:43,440 --> 00:09:40,880 gravitational fields but so he 228 00:09:45,820 --> 00:09:43,450 the one that measured the 64 c and i 229 00:09:47,590 --> 00:09:45,830 I've correspondent with him and I asked 230 00:09:49,600 --> 00:09:47,600 him to describe how he measured that and 231 00:09:51,370 --> 00:09:49,610 he did tell me but he asked me not to 232 00:09:53,350 --> 00:09:51,380 elaborate because it was an article it 233 00:09:55,510 --> 00:09:53,360 was going to be coming out soon and he 234 00:09:59,200 --> 00:09:55,520 didn't want to violate his is deal with 235 00:10:03,160 --> 00:09:59,210 the publisher mmm uh can you explain to 236 00:10:06,700 --> 00:10:03,170 the layperson out there how someone 237 00:10:11,140 --> 00:10:06,710 might possibly create gravitational 238 00:10:12,790 --> 00:10:11,150 fields yeah well I'm going to start with 239 00:10:15,490 --> 00:10:12,800 the theory and the theory goes all the 240 00:10:18,040 --> 00:10:15,500 way back to Einstein when he created his 241 00:10:20,560 --> 00:10:18,050 general theory of relativity he 242 00:10:24,310 --> 00:10:20,570 recognized that there was a interaction 243 00:10:27,040 --> 00:10:24,320 between electromagnetic fields and which 244 00:10:29,320 --> 00:10:27,050 is light and gravitational fields and in 245 00:10:31,900 --> 00:10:29,330 fact that allowed him to predict that a 246 00:10:34,330 --> 00:10:31,910 beam of light from a star for instance 247 00:10:37,390 --> 00:10:34,340 when it passes the rim of the Sun would 248 00:10:40,090 --> 00:10:37,400 be bent because of this interaction and 249 00:10:41,670 --> 00:10:40,100 he even predicted that a star close to 250 00:10:45,820 --> 00:10:41,680 the rim would have its light bent by 251 00:10:51,100 --> 00:10:45,830 1.75 arc seconds and that was back in 252 00:10:52,240 --> 00:10:51,110 nineteen fifteen I think and in 1919 so 253 00:10:55,150 --> 00:10:52,250 Arthur Eddington went on an expedition 254 00:10:57,250 --> 00:10:55,160 and during the solar eclipse and 255 00:11:00,400 --> 00:10:57,260 actually proved Einstein to be correct 256 00:11:03,790 --> 00:11:00,410 so the theory says that there is this 257 00:11:10,320 --> 00:11:03,800 interaction between electromagnetic 258 00:11:13,090 --> 00:11:10,330 fields and gravitational fields in 1934 259 00:11:16,960 --> 00:11:13,100 dr. Richard Coleman who is a professor 260 00:11:18,880 --> 00:11:16,970 at Caltech wrote a textbook and it was 261 00:11:22,030 --> 00:11:18,890 called relativity thermodynamics and 262 00:11:25,210 --> 00:11:22,040 cosmology in in that book he spent 263 00:11:27,700 --> 00:11:25,220 several pages deriving in relationship 264 00:11:29,530 --> 00:11:27,710 and showed that a beam of light back 265 00:11:33,190 --> 00:11:29,540 back then they didn't have lasers so he 266 00:11:35,200 --> 00:11:33,200 called a pencil of light it was actually 267 00:11:37,870 --> 00:11:35,210 twice as effective in creating a 268 00:11:44,430 --> 00:11:37,880 gravitational field as a particle of 269 00:11:47,080 --> 00:11:44,440 matter recently in 2011 December of 2011 270 00:11:50,350 --> 00:11:47,090 there was a paper published by Lewis 271 00:11:52,430 --> 00:11:50,360 Rand Corp entitled the effects of light 272 00:11:55,160 --> 00:11:52,440 and gravitational attraction 273 00:11:58,430 --> 00:11:55,170 and he did an experiment where he shot a 274 00:12:01,100 --> 00:11:58,440 beam of the glacier being passed a mass 275 00:12:04,150 --> 00:12:01,110 that was suspended in a controlled 276 00:12:07,040 --> 00:12:04,160 environment and he was able to detect 277 00:12:11,420 --> 00:12:07,050 the fact that that laser light actually 278 00:12:16,580 --> 00:12:11,430 drew the the mass toward it so we had a 279 00:12:18,110 --> 00:12:16,590 gravitational field attached to it so so 280 00:12:20,780 --> 00:12:18,120 if you were going to create a 281 00:12:22,040 --> 00:12:20,790 gravitational field you would look at 282 00:12:24,170 --> 00:12:22,050 how could you manipulate the 283 00:12:27,320 --> 00:12:24,180 electromagnetic fields and in fact in my 284 00:12:29,780 --> 00:12:27,330 very first novel alien log my 285 00:12:32,000 --> 00:12:29,790 astrophysicist is talking to his boss 286 00:12:33,320 --> 00:12:32,010 who happens to be a colonel and they're 287 00:12:35,690 --> 00:12:33,330 involved in a project and they're 288 00:12:37,070 --> 00:12:35,700 standing next to a broken UFO and the 289 00:12:40,160 --> 00:12:37,080 colonel asked him you know how they work 290 00:12:41,960 --> 00:12:40,170 and Cory the astrophysicists is rubbing 291 00:12:44,450 --> 00:12:41,970 his hands over the surface of the craft 292 00:12:46,340 --> 00:12:44,460 and he says well I think this this is a 293 00:12:49,910 --> 00:12:46,350 superconducting material and there's a 294 00:12:51,740 --> 00:12:49,920 high high current flow through here and 295 00:12:53,620 --> 00:12:51,750 then they're somehow manipulating a 296 00:12:55,670 --> 00:12:53,630 magnetic field up through there and 297 00:12:57,200 --> 00:12:55,680 somehow create that he didn't know 298 00:12:59,890 --> 00:12:57,210 exactly because I don't know exactly but 299 00:13:03,740 --> 00:12:59,900 somehow creating a gravitational field 300 00:13:07,000 --> 00:13:03,750 now there are other possible ways to do 301 00:13:13,250 --> 00:13:07,010 this in one of them was presented I 302 00:13:16,790 --> 00:13:13,260 think was around 2007 dr. brush of no 303 00:13:19,310 --> 00:13:16,800 and dr. sandhu co-authored a paper that 304 00:13:22,340 --> 00:13:19,320 was presented at the american institute 305 00:13:23,980 --> 00:13:22,350 of aeronautics and astronautics and that 306 00:13:26,420 --> 00:13:23,990 happened to be a joint session with 307 00:13:28,970 --> 00:13:26,430 American society mechanical engineers 308 00:13:32,840 --> 00:13:28,980 and the Society of Automotive Engineers 309 00:13:34,820 --> 00:13:32,850 and also the society of american society 310 00:13:37,070 --> 00:13:34,830 of electrical engineers and was dealing 311 00:13:38,960 --> 00:13:37,080 with propulsion and they presented a 312 00:13:41,590 --> 00:13:38,970 paper that was peer reviewed and talked 313 00:13:43,970 --> 00:13:41,600 about a method for creating a craft that 314 00:13:47,030 --> 00:13:43,980 could be propelled by gravitational 315 00:13:49,579 --> 00:13:47,040 field and what they proposed was that if 316 00:13:52,550 --> 00:13:49,589 you could take and build us some 317 00:13:55,579 --> 00:13:52,560 sections made out of parallel plates 318 00:14:00,260 --> 00:13:55,589 that were reflective and you could be a 319 00:14:02,660 --> 00:14:00,270 very high intense electromagnetic field 320 00:14:03,580 --> 00:14:02,670 through those plates in other words like 321 00:14:07,210 --> 00:14:03,590 a microwave 322 00:14:09,340 --> 00:14:07,220 instance and as the beam bounce back and 323 00:14:11,380 --> 00:14:09,350 forth is reflected back and forth 324 00:14:15,010 --> 00:14:11,390 between these plates it would shed 325 00:14:16,630 --> 00:14:15,020 gravitons now some people don't know 326 00:14:18,850 --> 00:14:16,640 what graviton is and in fact people who 327 00:14:20,440 --> 00:14:18,860 study gravity aren't sure how gravity 328 00:14:22,360 --> 00:14:20,450 you know what makes gravity nobody 329 00:14:24,820 --> 00:14:22,370 really knows yet the gravitons is just 330 00:14:28,360 --> 00:14:24,830 one one theory that there are gravitons 331 00:14:30,130 --> 00:14:28,370 at exchange course so anyway if you 332 00:14:32,410 --> 00:14:30,140 believe gravitons is what creates 333 00:14:34,120 --> 00:14:32,420 gravitational fields then as these 334 00:14:36,850 --> 00:14:34,130 photons are bouncing back and forth 335 00:14:40,270 --> 00:14:36,860 they're shedding gravitons creating 336 00:14:42,750 --> 00:14:40,280 gravitational field and so by assembling 337 00:14:45,070 --> 00:14:42,760 a number of these plates and then 338 00:14:46,630 --> 00:14:45,080 staging when you turn them different 339 00:14:48,850 --> 00:14:46,640 ones on you can kind of control the 340 00:14:52,930 --> 00:14:48,860 direction of the force in the direction 341 00:14:55,470 --> 00:14:52,940 that you travel with this craft and that 342 00:14:58,690 --> 00:14:55,480 gets into another question and that is 343 00:15:00,190 --> 00:14:58,700 why do UFOs have different colors people 344 00:15:03,340 --> 00:15:00,200 see them glowing this color and glowing 345 00:15:05,080 --> 00:15:03,350 that color or not glowing at all and if 346 00:15:07,480 --> 00:15:05,090 you follow the theory I just described 347 00:15:09,400 --> 00:15:07,490 as these photons are bouncing back and 348 00:15:11,920 --> 00:15:09,410 forth shet in gravitons they're losing 349 00:15:14,860 --> 00:15:11,930 energy and eventually they get to the 350 00:15:17,680 --> 00:15:14,870 point where the inefficiency shows up as 351 00:15:20,830 --> 00:15:17,690 a radiation of photons from the surface 352 00:15:23,320 --> 00:15:20,840 of these plates and it would be a whole 353 00:15:25,120 --> 00:15:23,330 spectrum but it would depend a lot on 354 00:15:27,430 --> 00:15:25,130 the energy level that the craft is 355 00:15:29,830 --> 00:15:27,440 operating at so for instance if the 356 00:15:30,880 --> 00:15:29,840 craft is hovering over the ground not 357 00:15:32,740 --> 00:15:30,890 doing anything just sitting there 358 00:15:35,560 --> 00:15:32,750 hovering it would be running a low 359 00:15:38,260 --> 00:15:35,570 energy level and the radiation might be 360 00:15:41,410 --> 00:15:38,270 in the form of infrared although there 361 00:15:43,120 --> 00:15:41,420 are theoretically sometimes when higher 362 00:15:44,410 --> 00:15:43,130 energy particles might be released so 363 00:15:45,580 --> 00:15:44,420 you don't want to go up and touch one of 364 00:15:46,750 --> 00:15:45,590 these things when it's running and you 365 00:15:49,000 --> 00:15:46,760 don't want to stand next to one very 366 00:15:51,670 --> 00:15:49,010 long or you might die from radiation 367 00:15:53,020 --> 00:15:51,680 poisoning but but generally you would be 368 00:15:55,690 --> 00:15:53,030 sitting there you wouldn't see it 369 00:15:57,070 --> 00:15:55,700 because it's in the infrared but if it 370 00:16:00,010 --> 00:15:57,080 suddenly decides to take off and 371 00:16:03,550 --> 00:16:00,020 accelerate then of course it requires a 372 00:16:05,670 --> 00:16:03,560 higher energy and it would shed a waste 373 00:16:09,070 --> 00:16:05,680 energy in a higher energy level and 374 00:16:11,110 --> 00:16:09,080 higher level of the spectrum more toward 375 00:16:12,790 --> 00:16:11,120 the visual and the color might depend 376 00:16:14,170 --> 00:16:12,800 again on the energy level and so with 377 00:16:15,730 --> 00:16:14,180 the intensity 378 00:16:18,130 --> 00:16:15,740 they're accelerating they might be very 379 00:16:20,110 --> 00:16:18,140 bright if they're going very fast in the 380 00:16:22,060 --> 00:16:20,120 atmosphere where they have a resistance 381 00:16:23,710 --> 00:16:22,070 they might be very bright if on the 382 00:16:24,940 --> 00:16:23,720 other hand they're going slow they 383 00:16:27,370 --> 00:16:24,950 wouldn't be quite as bright and they 384 00:16:29,019 --> 00:16:27,380 might be a different color now what 385 00:16:30,610 --> 00:16:29,029 would you if you had to guess what would 386 00:16:33,280 --> 00:16:30,620 I mean it seems like would be 387 00:16:35,440 --> 00:16:33,290 electricity of some sort that would 388 00:16:37,180 --> 00:16:35,450 power something like this what would 389 00:16:42,130 --> 00:16:37,190 your beat what would be your guests on 390 00:16:44,139 --> 00:16:42,140 that well I have a bucket list of things 391 00:16:47,320 --> 00:16:44,149 that I want to research and their energy 392 00:16:50,019 --> 00:16:47,330 sources is on that list so the only 393 00:16:52,380 --> 00:16:50,029 thing i might mention this thing called 394 00:16:56,470 --> 00:16:52,390 zero point energy that people discuss 395 00:16:59,320 --> 00:16:56,480 and people are researching that Eugene 396 00:17:01,900 --> 00:16:59,330 put glutton off in his research that 397 00:17:03,579 --> 00:17:01,910 he's been doing in his and when he 398 00:17:07,829 --> 00:17:03,589 reports his results one of the things 399 00:17:10,870 --> 00:17:07,839 that's kind of astounding this pulse of 400 00:17:12,309 --> 00:17:10,880 this gravity paul said he pretty he's 401 00:17:15,819 --> 00:17:12,319 able to produce out of this pulse 402 00:17:17,949 --> 00:17:15,829 generator has some very interesting 403 00:17:19,660 --> 00:17:17,959 things about it that number one and 404 00:17:23,079 --> 00:17:19,670 travels 64 times the speed of light 405 00:17:25,829 --> 00:17:23,089 number two he's determined that its 406 00:17:28,900 --> 00:17:25,839 interaction with the surroundings 407 00:17:31,630 --> 00:17:28,910 requires more energy than the energy he 408 00:17:34,169 --> 00:17:31,640 puts into his device so the question is 409 00:17:36,970 --> 00:17:34,179 world words all the energy coming from 410 00:17:40,000 --> 00:17:36,980 now he is an experimentalist and not a 411 00:17:43,570 --> 00:17:40,010 theorist as he's especially his material 412 00:17:47,640 --> 00:17:43,580 science so he doesn't know I mean he's 413 00:17:51,480 --> 00:17:47,650 perplexed too he suspects it possibly 414 00:17:55,299 --> 00:17:51,490 this this gravitational wave is somehow 415 00:17:58,750 --> 00:17:55,309 causing sub upon subatomic particles to 416 00:18:02,410 --> 00:17:58,760 release energy and this might be ie 417 00:18:04,870 --> 00:18:02,420 zero-point energy I don't know but it 418 00:18:07,390 --> 00:18:04,880 might be that kind of energy source 419 00:18:09,700 --> 00:18:07,400 that's being used because you know 420 00:18:11,520 --> 00:18:09,710 whatever they do however fast they go or 421 00:18:13,900 --> 00:18:11,530 far they go it's going to take energy 422 00:18:16,350 --> 00:18:13,910 more does it come from and I don't know 423 00:18:22,480 --> 00:18:16,360 and that's like I said in my bucket list 424 00:18:25,240 --> 00:18:22,490 if UFOs have crashed in the past and it 425 00:18:28,000 --> 00:18:25,250 they've been covered up as far as like 426 00:18:30,490 --> 00:18:28,010 the government the military 427 00:18:32,530 --> 00:18:30,500 reversing engineering them or attempting 428 00:18:37,300 --> 00:18:32,540 to would you think they already have 429 00:18:39,190 --> 00:18:37,310 this information that dr. puck can't say 430 00:18:42,970 --> 00:18:39,200 his name bud glut not I know it's he's a 431 00:18:46,900 --> 00:18:42,980 Russian but that's but but it's p.o.d 432 00:18:48,550 --> 00:18:46,910 que le T Nov Vietnam do you think they 433 00:18:51,490 --> 00:18:48,560 already have this information or 434 00:18:53,830 --> 00:18:51,500 something very close to it well I would 435 00:18:55,830 --> 00:18:53,840 be surprised if they don't number one 436 00:18:59,200 --> 00:18:55,840 he's been approached by Boeing aircraft 437 00:19:00,790 --> 00:18:59,210 years ago and by NASA and as I said NASA 438 00:19:03,760 --> 00:19:00,800 has already done some experiments but 439 00:19:06,820 --> 00:19:03,770 because they didn't have the proper size 440 00:19:09,520 --> 00:19:06,830 equipment they ended money they 441 00:19:12,580 --> 00:19:09,530 abandoned the research maybe they pass 442 00:19:14,830 --> 00:19:12,590 it on to the DoD I don't know but the 443 00:19:19,030 --> 00:19:14,840 potential is so great that I would 444 00:19:23,080 --> 00:19:19,040 imagine that the military or DoD or 445 00:19:25,600 --> 00:19:23,090 somebody has knowledge about it now you 446 00:19:26,890 --> 00:19:25,610 could hand the blueprints to a 747 to 447 00:19:29,590 --> 00:19:26,900 the Wright brothers that doesn't mean 448 00:19:31,240 --> 00:19:29,600 they could build 747 and there may be 449 00:19:34,330 --> 00:19:31,250 some technology that we haven't quite 450 00:19:37,030 --> 00:19:34,340 learned yet like nanotechnology that 451 00:19:39,280 --> 00:19:37,040 might be required to assemble some of 452 00:19:42,010 --> 00:19:39,290 the components that we just don't have 453 00:19:44,980 --> 00:19:42,020 that technology and that might be one 454 00:19:47,290 --> 00:19:44,990 reason why maybe they haven't succeeded 455 00:19:49,240 --> 00:19:47,300 in creating a UFO on the other hand 456 00:19:51,580 --> 00:19:49,250 maybe they have some people think that a 457 00:19:54,490 --> 00:19:51,590 lot of UFOs we see are actually our own 458 00:19:59,950 --> 00:19:54,500 crap right right one thing you always 459 00:20:02,470 --> 00:19:59,960 hear a person say is if they can travel 460 00:20:05,920 --> 00:20:02,480 so many you know light years to get here 461 00:20:09,010 --> 00:20:05,930 then how could they possibly crash what 462 00:20:12,370 --> 00:20:09,020 you know here on earth what do you say 463 00:20:14,530 --> 00:20:12,380 about that well I think there's maybe 464 00:20:18,000 --> 00:20:14,540 several reasons why they crash but in 465 00:20:20,050 --> 00:20:18,010 general if they are creating a 466 00:20:22,410 --> 00:20:20,060 gravitational field as a means of 467 00:20:24,970 --> 00:20:22,420 propulsion and they're using 468 00:20:27,490 --> 00:20:24,980 electromagnetic fields as the means of 469 00:20:31,120 --> 00:20:27,500 producing that gravitational field then 470 00:20:33,730 --> 00:20:31,130 a strong beam of electromagnetic energy 471 00:20:36,250 --> 00:20:33,740 could probably disrupt their propulsion 472 00:20:38,710 --> 00:20:36,260 system now radar happens to be a 473 00:20:40,250 --> 00:20:38,720 candidate for that and as a matter of 474 00:20:42,220 --> 00:20:40,260 fact the military actually 475 00:20:46,550 --> 00:20:42,230 developed a weapon called the 476 00:20:49,250 --> 00:20:46,560 electromagnetic pulse beam weapon which 477 00:20:52,190 --> 00:20:49,260 was designed to be mad aircraft and 478 00:20:54,890 --> 00:20:52,200 disable their electronics so certainly 479 00:20:56,210 --> 00:20:54,900 something like that could do it but a 480 00:20:59,480 --> 00:20:56,220 lot of the crashes have occurred in 481 00:21:01,430 --> 00:20:59,490 areas where a lot of research was being 482 00:21:06,290 --> 00:21:01,440 done in high-powered radar at least in 483 00:21:08,450 --> 00:21:06,300 the past the crap in my story line in my 484 00:21:11,900 --> 00:21:08,460 novels is based on a crash in Kingman 485 00:21:14,090 --> 00:21:11,910 Arizona that occurred in 1953 and they 486 00:21:15,650 --> 00:21:14,100 didn't have high-powered radar at that 487 00:21:19,160 --> 00:21:15,660 time in that area they weren't doing 488 00:21:20,630 --> 00:21:19,170 research in any way because I thought 489 00:21:22,700 --> 00:21:20,640 well maybe they were developing great 490 00:21:24,740 --> 00:21:22,710 are for the dew line or something but it 491 00:21:27,800 --> 00:21:24,750 turns out that didn't seem to be the 492 00:21:29,780 --> 00:21:27,810 case now that crash I attributed to the 493 00:21:32,090 --> 00:21:29,790 craft being too close to an atomic 494 00:21:35,390 --> 00:21:32,100 explosion because i got a believe when 495 00:21:38,300 --> 00:21:35,400 we started doing all these atomic tests 496 00:21:40,850 --> 00:21:38,310 out in nevada but they had craft 497 00:21:43,310 --> 00:21:40,860 stationed there to monitor those tests i 498 00:21:45,380 --> 00:21:43,320 mean i would they certainly would be 499 00:21:46,760 --> 00:21:45,390 curious about Howard how we're doing in 500 00:21:50,000 --> 00:21:46,770 this and what kind of development were 501 00:21:51,800 --> 00:21:50,010 making and I have a scenario that i 502 00:21:53,840 --> 00:21:51,810 described in the prologue of my second 503 00:21:59,150 --> 00:21:53,850 book that UFO may have been there 504 00:22:03,770 --> 00:21:59,160 monitoring the nuclear test that was set 505 00:22:07,310 --> 00:22:03,780 off in 19th of May 1953 it became known 506 00:22:11,120 --> 00:22:07,320 as Dirty Harry by the way but that crap 507 00:22:12,830 --> 00:22:11,130 got too close was was mortally wounded 508 00:22:14,420 --> 00:22:12,840 and but managed to make it over to the 509 00:22:18,050 --> 00:22:14,430 kingman area before a crash now that's 510 00:22:21,410 --> 00:22:18,060 my hypothesis so that's another reason 511 00:22:23,210 --> 00:22:21,420 they might crash on sometimes they may 512 00:22:25,820 --> 00:22:23,220 be Christ because we shoot him down or 513 00:22:29,090 --> 00:22:25,830 something I don't know right the theory 514 00:22:32,720 --> 00:22:29,100 here of the gravitational propulsion 515 00:22:37,580 --> 00:22:32,730 does it matter how much the object ways 516 00:22:39,410 --> 00:22:37,590 that is being propelled no so in theory 517 00:22:41,510 --> 00:22:39,420 then this could be something that could 518 00:22:45,020 --> 00:22:41,520 be used on an asteroid that's heading 519 00:22:48,410 --> 00:22:45,030 our way possibly well one of the things 520 00:22:50,900 --> 00:22:48,420 but but no suggested now he certainly 521 00:22:53,390 --> 00:22:50,910 doesn't want his research and equipment 522 00:22:54,140 --> 00:22:53,400 to be used for military use but he did 523 00:22:56,480 --> 00:22:54,150 say 524 00:22:58,940 --> 00:22:56,490 this beam that he he can produce which 525 00:23:01,520 --> 00:22:58,950 is just for a it's a pulse okay it's a 526 00:23:02,720 --> 00:23:01,530 very short duration pulse but strong 527 00:23:04,720 --> 00:23:02,730 enough he's actually being able to 528 00:23:07,220 --> 00:23:04,730 deflect a two inch thick metal plate 529 00:23:09,260 --> 00:23:07,230 through a distance of several kilometers 530 00:23:11,540 --> 00:23:09,270 and it passes through buildings and so 531 00:23:13,880 --> 00:23:11,550 forth but he was suggesting that perhaps 532 00:23:16,250 --> 00:23:13,890 a pulse beam like this could be aimed at 533 00:23:19,790 --> 00:23:16,260 a satellite to move it to a higher orbit 534 00:23:21,920 --> 00:23:19,800 okay or maybe two dis or disable it I 535 00:23:23,840 --> 00:23:21,930 don't know so it does have weapons 536 00:23:26,300 --> 00:23:23,850 possibilities which which he really 537 00:23:28,760 --> 00:23:26,310 doesn't want to have happen that's you 538 00:23:31,310 --> 00:23:28,770 know that's could be one of the reasons 539 00:23:33,680 --> 00:23:31,320 why there's been such a cover-up over 540 00:23:36,620 --> 00:23:33,690 the years is because of the threat of 541 00:23:41,300 --> 00:23:36,630 National Defense that these things could 542 00:23:44,630 --> 00:23:41,310 be used against us come one thing I talk 543 00:23:48,620 --> 00:23:44,640 about a lot and this show is one of the 544 00:23:51,200 --> 00:23:48,630 theories that people think that UFOs 545 00:23:53,090 --> 00:23:51,210 could possibly be interdimensional 546 00:23:56,900 --> 00:23:53,100 what's your what's your take on that 547 00:24:00,290 --> 00:23:56,910 well you have to understand my mission 548 00:24:03,440 --> 00:24:00,300 is to try and convince play people that 549 00:24:06,380 --> 00:24:03,450 UFOs and ETS our reality and these 550 00:24:08,000 --> 00:24:06,390 people are skeptical at best they 551 00:24:10,640 --> 00:24:08,010 certainly would not go into a bookstore 552 00:24:14,500 --> 00:24:10,650 and buy a book on UFOs which is why I 553 00:24:17,690 --> 00:24:14,510 opted to use the science fiction format 554 00:24:21,610 --> 00:24:17,700 but it's in my lecture and in my books I 555 00:24:23,300 --> 00:24:21,620 very carefully avoid wormholes 556 00:24:25,850 --> 00:24:23,310 multi-dimensions and things like that 557 00:24:27,580 --> 00:24:25,860 I'm not saying they aren't true because 558 00:24:31,220 --> 00:24:27,590 I couldn't prove whether they are or not 559 00:24:33,800 --> 00:24:31,230 but I tried to explain in a manner 560 00:24:36,800 --> 00:24:33,810 that's a nuts-and-bolts manner that 561 00:24:39,860 --> 00:24:36,810 anyone who's had high school physics or 562 00:24:42,170 --> 00:24:39,870 high school science could understand and 563 00:24:45,290 --> 00:24:42,180 if I can explain all the phenomenon of 564 00:24:48,080 --> 00:24:45,300 the people see UFOs do using just 565 00:24:50,720 --> 00:24:48,090 traditional science then they don't have 566 00:24:52,810 --> 00:24:50,730 to worry about interdimensional travel 567 00:24:54,770 --> 00:24:52,820 and things like that how about when 568 00:24:57,500 --> 00:24:54,780 people have said they've seen them 569 00:24:59,360 --> 00:24:57,510 appear and disappear well their cloaking 570 00:25:02,930 --> 00:24:59,370 themselves and I explained that in my 571 00:25:04,850 --> 00:25:02,940 lectures end in my book and I one 572 00:25:07,440 --> 00:25:04,860 possible way they could do that just 573 00:25:09,509 --> 00:25:07,450 like the Klingons of course 574 00:25:12,690 --> 00:25:09,519 they they have a very strong magnetic 575 00:25:14,669 --> 00:25:12,700 field around them and and this testimony 576 00:25:18,240 --> 00:25:14,679 to that that they do have a very strong 577 00:25:20,909 --> 00:25:18,250 magnetic field well there was some some 578 00:25:24,750 --> 00:25:20,919 work done actually paper was published 579 00:25:28,110 --> 00:25:24,760 by dr. Thomas erber from the Illinois 580 00:25:30,659 --> 00:25:28,120 Institute of Technology it was back in 581 00:25:32,730 --> 00:25:30,669 nineteen sixty one and he he published 582 00:25:34,680 --> 00:25:32,740 it in the british journal of nature for 583 00:25:36,570 --> 00:25:34,690 so on so many of your listeners want to 584 00:25:39,000 --> 00:25:36,580 research that they have to go to the 585 00:25:42,419 --> 00:25:39,010 british version of the journal of nature 586 00:25:45,360 --> 00:25:42,429 and his paper was called the velocity of 587 00:25:48,480 --> 00:25:45,370 light in a magnetic field this was back 588 00:25:50,460 --> 00:25:48,490 in 61 he was interesting interested in 589 00:25:53,430 --> 00:25:50,470 seeing what the effect of a magnetic 590 00:25:55,200 --> 00:25:53,440 field had on the velocity of light and 591 00:25:59,129 --> 00:25:55,210 he actually developed the empirical 592 00:26:01,200 --> 00:25:59,139 equation based on his studies and the 593 00:26:04,440 --> 00:26:01,210 equations we report the index of 594 00:26:06,720 --> 00:26:04,450 refraction is a function of the the 595 00:26:10,680 --> 00:26:06,730 magnetic field strength now index of 596 00:26:13,080 --> 00:26:10,690 refraction is the velocity of light in a 597 00:26:15,570 --> 00:26:13,090 vacuum divided by the velocity of light 598 00:26:18,110 --> 00:26:15,580 as it passes through substance like a 599 00:26:21,120 --> 00:26:18,120 piece of glass or water or whatever and 600 00:26:23,909 --> 00:26:21,130 you know glass has an index of 601 00:26:26,669 --> 00:26:23,919 refraction close to two so that means 602 00:26:29,759 --> 00:26:26,679 the white is only traveling half its 603 00:26:31,740 --> 00:26:29,769 past as it does in a vacuum well anyway 604 00:26:34,799 --> 00:26:31,750 so if you plot this you see that it was 605 00:26:36,870 --> 00:26:34,809 a very strong magnetic field you can 606 00:26:39,029 --> 00:26:36,880 create an index of refraction much 607 00:26:40,560 --> 00:26:39,039 greater than 2 or even a little less 608 00:26:42,659 --> 00:26:40,570 than 2 doesn't matter but it's enough 609 00:26:45,990 --> 00:26:42,669 you could imagine it's creating any lens 610 00:26:47,820 --> 00:26:46,000 in this lens then is taking the light 611 00:26:49,889 --> 00:26:47,830 from behind the craft and bending it 612 00:26:52,110 --> 00:26:49,899 around so it comes out on the front side 613 00:26:54,870 --> 00:26:52,120 of the craft and the person looking at 614 00:26:58,049 --> 00:26:54,880 the crowd doesn't see the crap it's gone 615 00:27:00,149 --> 00:26:58,059 it's been cloaked I think this I've read 616 00:27:02,610 --> 00:27:00,159 somewhere where the military is trying 617 00:27:04,080 --> 00:27:02,620 to perfect something like this yeah it's 618 00:27:09,720 --> 00:27:04,090 a little less sophisticated though 619 00:27:14,220 --> 00:27:09,730 they're using I think like miniature TV 620 00:27:17,279 --> 00:27:14,230 cameras if you will and screens on the 621 00:27:17,610 --> 00:27:17,289 suit and maybe cameras on the back of 622 00:27:19,830 --> 00:27:17,620 the sir 623 00:27:21,600 --> 00:27:19,840 and cameras on the back of the suitor 624 00:27:23,760 --> 00:27:21,610 are taking a look at what's behind the 625 00:27:25,200 --> 00:27:23,770 person and then projecting onto the 626 00:27:27,630 --> 00:27:25,210 screens in front of the person so you 627 00:27:30,240 --> 00:27:27,640 who are looking at the person don't see 628 00:27:32,730 --> 00:27:30,250 the person it's like they disappear Wow 629 00:27:34,470 --> 00:27:32,740 so to say so many angles to worry about 630 00:27:36,090 --> 00:27:34,480 in something well yeah I mean I probably 631 00:27:37,410 --> 00:27:36,100 simplified it a little bit but I mean 632 00:27:40,470 --> 00:27:37,420 that's the concept I think they're 633 00:27:42,240 --> 00:27:40,480 working on and I don't in there by the 634 00:27:44,070 --> 00:27:42,250 way the magnetic field required to do 635 00:27:47,660 --> 00:27:44,080 anything significant is very large 636 00:27:50,549 --> 00:27:47,670 probably even to get a sufficient 637 00:27:52,830 --> 00:27:50,559 distortion equivalent to what you would 638 00:27:56,720 --> 00:27:52,840 see on a hot summer day from the heat 639 00:27:59,910 --> 00:27:56,730 cries out off the road would require 640 00:28:01,830 --> 00:27:59,920 magnetic fields they're probably equal 641 00:28:03,930 --> 00:28:01,840 to or a little greater than our 642 00:28:05,760 --> 00:28:03,940 strongest fields that we produce so far 643 00:28:08,790 --> 00:28:05,770 but I'm not putting limits on the 644 00:28:11,669 --> 00:28:08,800 capabilities of UFOs to create a strong 645 00:28:13,020 --> 00:28:11,679 magnetic field if they can do that and 646 00:28:14,970 --> 00:28:13,030 they could use that now there may be 647 00:28:17,820 --> 00:28:14,980 other means I couldn't find any research 648 00:28:20,010 --> 00:28:17,830 done on on the same thing as far as the 649 00:28:21,600 --> 00:28:20,020 effect of electric fields you know 650 00:28:24,419 --> 00:28:21,610 electric wheels might also do the same 651 00:28:26,220 --> 00:28:24,429 thing but certainly magnetic fields 652 00:28:27,600 --> 00:28:26,230 could be one possible way that they 653 00:28:30,450 --> 00:28:27,610 cloak themselves so they cloak 654 00:28:33,330 --> 00:28:30,460 themselves in one location move over to 655 00:28:35,220 --> 00:28:33,340 another location and then reappear now 656 00:28:38,580 --> 00:28:35,230 people say oh that's interdimensional 657 00:28:40,140 --> 00:28:38,590 travel well I can't say it isn't but I 658 00:28:42,000 --> 00:28:40,150 can explain it in a way that doesn't 659 00:28:46,650 --> 00:28:42,010 require international interdimensional 660 00:28:50,340 --> 00:28:46,660 travel one thing in your books you 661 00:28:53,430 --> 00:28:50,350 discuss the alternative to the big bang 662 00:28:55,860 --> 00:28:53,440 theory yes I really want to talk about 663 00:28:58,980 --> 00:28:55,870 that because that's always been a really 664 00:29:01,830 --> 00:28:58,990 tough one for me to swallow I'm not a 665 00:29:05,190 --> 00:29:01,840 scientist but what is your take on the 666 00:29:07,680 --> 00:29:05,200 Big Bang Theory uh I think the big bang 667 00:29:11,100 --> 00:29:07,690 theory is wrong and it's to put it 668 00:29:14,250 --> 00:29:11,110 simply it's a misinterpretation of the 669 00:29:16,440 --> 00:29:14,260 data it's interesting just last week I 670 00:29:18,780 --> 00:29:16,450 gave for the first time a new lecture 671 00:29:21,500 --> 00:29:18,790 that I've developed it's called how the 672 00:29:24,180 --> 00:29:21,510 universe began without a big bang and 673 00:29:27,270 --> 00:29:24,190 it's a two-hour lecture its power point 674 00:29:30,270 --> 00:29:27,280 the first part is history of the 675 00:29:30,680 --> 00:29:30,280 astronomy and and the astronomers and 676 00:29:32,240 --> 00:29:30,690 and there 677 00:29:35,890 --> 00:29:32,250 machines that they used to gather data 678 00:29:40,610 --> 00:29:35,900 going all the way back to Copernicus and 679 00:29:41,780 --> 00:29:40,620 up to present time so I go through and 680 00:29:43,130 --> 00:29:41,790 talk a little bit about each of these 681 00:29:44,990 --> 00:29:43,140 astronomers and the equipment they use 682 00:29:47,000 --> 00:29:45,000 and the results that they got and and 683 00:29:49,370 --> 00:29:47,010 the tools that they developed and then 684 00:29:52,760 --> 00:29:49,380 the second part is talking about the big 685 00:29:55,010 --> 00:29:52,770 bang and as a way of interpreting all 686 00:29:56,900 --> 00:29:55,020 the data that's been accumulated and in 687 00:30:00,170 --> 00:29:56,910 the third part is to talk about a better 688 00:30:02,270 --> 00:30:00,180 theory in my opinion that is much better 689 00:30:04,700 --> 00:30:02,280 than the Big Bang Theory it uses the 690 00:30:08,360 --> 00:30:04,710 same data but doesn't violate all the 691 00:30:11,300 --> 00:30:08,370 fundamental laws of physics that the Big 692 00:30:13,370 --> 00:30:11,310 Bang Theory violates and I'd be glad to 693 00:30:17,780 --> 00:30:13,380 explain that sir if you'd like yes would 694 00:30:20,450 --> 00:30:17,790 you okay well if we start way back in 695 00:30:23,210 --> 00:30:20,460 around 1928 gentleman by the name of 696 00:30:26,950 --> 00:30:23,220 Paul Dirac he was a physicists and 697 00:30:31,220 --> 00:30:26,960 English physicist and paul dirac 698 00:30:35,090 --> 00:30:31,230 mathematically proved that a particle 699 00:30:37,310 --> 00:30:35,100 should have anti particles and so then 700 00:30:39,440 --> 00:30:37,320 in nineteen thirty he proposed that the 701 00:30:42,650 --> 00:30:39,450 vacuum of space was actually a sea of 702 00:30:46,670 --> 00:30:42,660 electrons that were counteracted by a 703 00:30:49,580 --> 00:30:46,680 sea of holes because the charge of the 704 00:30:52,040 --> 00:30:49,590 universe had to be neutral later that 705 00:30:55,250 --> 00:30:52,050 was revised so that these holes were 706 00:30:57,080 --> 00:30:55,260 positive particles and initially he 707 00:30:58,730 --> 00:30:57,090 thought maybe they were protons but then 708 00:31:02,660 --> 00:30:58,740 the mass of the proton was too great to 709 00:31:04,550 --> 00:31:02,670 explain things so it was worked out that 710 00:31:09,200 --> 00:31:04,560 there was a particle the of equal mass 711 00:31:10,940 --> 00:31:09,210 to the electron but opposite charge and 712 00:31:13,970 --> 00:31:10,950 that led to the discovery of the 713 00:31:17,330 --> 00:31:13,980 positron and it led to Derek getting a 714 00:31:21,200 --> 00:31:17,340 Nobel Prize in 1933 so if you imagine 715 00:31:24,560 --> 00:31:21,210 and this concept of a sea of the stuff 716 00:31:26,240 --> 00:31:24,570 and that's the basis of this theory by 717 00:31:28,490 --> 00:31:26,250 the way I did not invent this theory I 718 00:31:29,930 --> 00:31:28,500 subscribe a whole hardly to it it turns 719 00:31:31,850 --> 00:31:29,940 out one of my friends here in sun city 720 00:31:35,930 --> 00:31:31,860 west actually developed the theory and 721 00:31:39,680 --> 00:31:35,940 i'm now his his disciple you might say 722 00:31:41,810 --> 00:31:39,690 but anyway so it was I was always 723 00:31:43,610 --> 00:31:41,820 trained to avoid singularities 724 00:31:44,780 --> 00:31:43,620 throughout my math courses and 725 00:31:46,400 --> 00:31:44,790 engineering courses you know whatever 726 00:31:48,410 --> 00:31:46,410 you do have a way to think you are 727 00:31:50,690 --> 00:31:48,420 already and here the big banks starts 728 00:31:53,210 --> 00:31:50,700 off in a singularity so that got that 729 00:31:54,830 --> 00:31:53,220 turned me off right off the bat another 730 00:31:57,740 --> 00:31:54,840 thing that is a clue that the big bang 731 00:31:59,660 --> 00:31:57,750 theory might be wrong is the the 732 00:32:01,490 --> 00:31:59,670 interpretation of the data that they 733 00:32:04,450 --> 00:32:01,500 have and this is the data is good the 734 00:32:08,330 --> 00:32:04,460 data says that the further away a 735 00:32:12,170 --> 00:32:08,340 galactic cluster is from us the faster 736 00:32:14,000 --> 00:32:12,180 it's traveling and they big bankers are 737 00:32:16,400 --> 00:32:14,010 forced to interpret that as acceleration 738 00:32:18,260 --> 00:32:16,410 and of course if you have acceleration 739 00:32:19,460 --> 00:32:18,270 you need a force to create that and 740 00:32:22,070 --> 00:32:19,470 therefore you need energy to create 741 00:32:24,860 --> 00:32:22,080 force and therefore you need to go find 742 00:32:26,390 --> 00:32:24,870 dark energy well guess what they haven't 743 00:32:29,860 --> 00:32:26,400 found it so that's certainly a clue that 744 00:32:32,570 --> 00:32:29,870 maybe they're on the wrong track so 745 00:32:35,000 --> 00:32:32,580 those are a couple things that make me 746 00:32:37,190 --> 00:32:35,010 believe that they're wrong and bobby 747 00:32:38,720 --> 00:32:37,200 mcgee he is the one who developed this 748 00:32:42,890 --> 00:32:38,730 theory and I hope someday he gets some 749 00:32:44,420 --> 00:32:42,900 kind of award for it if you start off 750 00:32:47,210 --> 00:32:44,430 with the idea that it's much easier to 751 00:32:50,870 --> 00:32:47,220 imagine that the universe began with 752 00:32:54,380 --> 00:32:50,880 with all the matter in place on day one 753 00:32:57,590 --> 00:32:54,390 in a different form and that form is 754 00:33:00,080 --> 00:32:57,600 such that that matter can be created can 755 00:33:01,850 --> 00:33:00,090 be converted into energy because to 756 00:33:04,610 --> 00:33:01,860 create the universe requires a lot of 757 00:33:09,230 --> 00:33:04,620 energy the universe as we see it okay 758 00:33:12,190 --> 00:33:09,240 and the most energetic thing we can 759 00:33:14,810 --> 00:33:12,200 think of is to have mass annihilation 760 00:33:17,990 --> 00:33:14,820 because when you have to like an 761 00:33:20,090 --> 00:33:18,000 electron and positron come together you 762 00:33:23,690 --> 00:33:20,100 annihilate the total mass and create 763 00:33:26,060 --> 00:33:23,700 wrote ons in the form of gamma rays so 764 00:33:28,400 --> 00:33:26,070 Bobby imagines that the primordial 765 00:33:31,970 --> 00:33:28,410 universe which extends out to infinity 766 00:33:35,000 --> 00:33:31,980 is a three dimensional matrix if you 767 00:33:37,940 --> 00:33:35,010 would or lattice work and at the lattice 768 00:33:42,340 --> 00:33:37,950 points our positronium atoms how 769 00:33:45,290 --> 00:33:42,350 positronium exists they've been detected 770 00:33:48,740 --> 00:33:45,300 what they are is a very simple Adam it's 771 00:33:52,250 --> 00:33:48,750 an electron orbiting a common center 772 00:33:54,169 --> 00:33:52,260 with a positron and they both have the 773 00:33:55,940 --> 00:33:54,179 same mass of the center's in between 774 00:33:57,889 --> 00:33:55,950 and there's Benny fast enough that the 775 00:33:59,830 --> 00:33:57,899 certificate force keeps them away and 776 00:34:01,810 --> 00:33:59,840 and there's also electric charges 777 00:34:05,269 --> 00:34:01,820 electrical forces that counterbalance 778 00:34:06,669 --> 00:34:05,279 and so they are in this matrix locked in 779 00:34:10,040 --> 00:34:06,679 with all these gazillion other 780 00:34:13,010 --> 00:34:10,050 positronium Zin a stable arrangement the 781 00:34:15,319 --> 00:34:13,020 the primordial universe is it could 782 00:34:16,730 --> 00:34:15,329 absolute zero or near absolute zero and 783 00:34:19,000 --> 00:34:16,740 it's a very stable system because 784 00:34:22,819 --> 00:34:19,010 normally positronium czar not stable 785 00:34:25,480 --> 00:34:22,829 they tend to annihilate each other in 786 00:34:29,149 --> 00:34:25,490 just a fraction of a second and become 787 00:34:31,460 --> 00:34:29,159 photons so in in our laboratory they're 788 00:34:33,440 --> 00:34:31,470 not very stable but he visualizes that 789 00:34:36,319 --> 00:34:33,450 perhaps in the primordial universe it 790 00:34:40,190 --> 00:34:36,329 would be a stable structure so if you go 791 00:34:42,500 --> 00:34:40,200 back about 24 to 30 billion years ago 792 00:34:44,960 --> 00:34:42,510 and his estimate you could say the 793 00:34:47,809 --> 00:34:44,970 finger of God disrupted one of these 794 00:34:51,379 --> 00:34:47,819 positronium and it annihilated releasing 795 00:34:53,780 --> 00:34:51,389 two gamma rays which in turn hit two 796 00:34:56,180 --> 00:34:53,790 other positronium releasing for gamma 797 00:34:58,130 --> 00:34:56,190 rays and so on so you can imagine you 798 00:35:01,190 --> 00:34:58,140 now have a chain reaction that's 799 00:35:04,400 --> 00:35:01,200 occurring and this explosion if you want 800 00:35:06,170 --> 00:35:04,410 to call it that is his expanding at the 801 00:35:09,859 --> 00:35:06,180 speed of light or near the speed of 802 00:35:12,559 --> 00:35:09,869 light and that he calls it a 803 00:35:14,210 --> 00:35:12,569 deflagration way so within this wave 804 00:35:17,089 --> 00:35:14,220 it's expanding outward at near the speed 805 00:35:18,950 --> 00:35:17,099 of light there are various stages of 806 00:35:21,680 --> 00:35:18,960 events that are occurring throughout the 807 00:35:23,420 --> 00:35:21,690 thickness of this deflagration wave and 808 00:35:25,970 --> 00:35:23,430 he estimates the thickness to be two and 809 00:35:28,700 --> 00:35:25,980 a half billion light years so the lot 810 00:35:32,059 --> 00:35:28,710 can happen within that timeframe but on 811 00:35:34,970 --> 00:35:32,069 the outer front of this deflagration 812 00:35:36,799 --> 00:35:34,980 wave of course photons in the form of 813 00:35:38,690 --> 00:35:36,809 gamma rays are being shot out and 814 00:35:42,859 --> 00:35:38,700 causing the chain reaction to continue 815 00:35:44,780 --> 00:35:42,869 behind the wave eventually the photons 816 00:35:47,990 --> 00:35:44,790 are converted back into particles 817 00:35:49,789 --> 00:35:48,000 subatomic particles and eventually atoms 818 00:35:53,809 --> 00:35:49,799 and then eventually molecules and then 819 00:35:56,720 --> 00:35:53,819 eventually particles at Klima rate and 820 00:35:58,849 --> 00:35:56,730 form heavier particles now these 821 00:36:01,220 --> 00:35:58,859 particles and are traveling at near 822 00:36:03,920 --> 00:36:01,230 light-speed so they are gravitationally 823 00:36:05,930 --> 00:36:03,930 enhanced according to relativity which 824 00:36:07,109 --> 00:36:05,940 causes the attraction to be even greater 825 00:36:09,680 --> 00:36:07,119 between these priority 826 00:36:13,529 --> 00:36:09,690 causes them to agglomerate faster 827 00:36:18,019 --> 00:36:13,539 eventually you get a dust and gas that's 828 00:36:20,759 --> 00:36:18,029 formed mostly hydrogen some helium and 829 00:36:23,309 --> 00:36:20,769 there are pockets where gravity is a 830 00:36:25,200 --> 00:36:23,319 little stronger than others so these the 831 00:36:28,670 --> 00:36:25,210 dust and gas begin to collapse and form 832 00:36:32,460 --> 00:36:28,680 stars and eventually out of those 833 00:36:34,349 --> 00:36:32,470 galaxies form and clusters form and then 834 00:36:36,329 --> 00:36:34,359 so that's all occurring on this side of 835 00:36:38,130 --> 00:36:36,339 that deflagration wave its speeding 836 00:36:41,089 --> 00:36:38,140 onward even as we speak its way out 837 00:36:44,940 --> 00:36:41,099 there going on doing its thing but 838 00:36:48,839 --> 00:36:44,950 what's happening inside and behind on 839 00:36:50,730 --> 00:36:48,849 our side of the split wave because of 840 00:36:52,349 --> 00:36:50,740 the scene that's occurring when these 841 00:36:54,930 --> 00:36:52,359 particles collide they make collide off 842 00:36:56,370 --> 00:36:54,940 center and they start spinning and of 843 00:36:58,980 --> 00:36:56,380 course you know you've seen pictures of 844 00:37:00,509 --> 00:36:58,990 galaxies that are spinning and a lot of 845 00:37:02,819 --> 00:37:00,519 things are spinning what's happening is 846 00:37:04,980 --> 00:37:02,829 the linear momentum it's originally at 847 00:37:08,489 --> 00:37:04,990 the wave front of these initial 848 00:37:11,549 --> 00:37:08,499 particles that are being created is 849 00:37:13,559 --> 00:37:11,559 being converted to angular momentum what 850 00:37:15,870 --> 00:37:13,569 that means is the linear momentum is 851 00:37:17,880 --> 00:37:15,880 decreasing as the angular momentum goes 852 00:37:21,029 --> 00:37:17,890 up therefore the velocity in a linear 853 00:37:23,249 --> 00:37:21,039 direction is decreasing so the closer in 854 00:37:25,079 --> 00:37:23,259 to us that we look at things the slower 855 00:37:27,479 --> 00:37:25,089 they're moving and wouldn't you know 856 00:37:31,440 --> 00:37:27,489 that's exactly what the data says mm-hmm 857 00:37:33,440 --> 00:37:31,450 a good analogy that Bobby gives in that 858 00:37:38,519 --> 00:37:33,450 respect first of all as far as the 859 00:37:41,640 --> 00:37:38,529 denigration way is if you if you have a 860 00:37:42,660 --> 00:37:41,650 room full of methane and air and of 861 00:37:43,950 --> 00:37:42,670 course you want you don't be in that 862 00:37:45,630 --> 00:37:43,960 room you're standing outside and you're 863 00:37:48,079 --> 00:37:45,640 looking through this thick glass window 864 00:37:50,579 --> 00:37:48,089 with a camera a high-speed camera and 865 00:37:52,349 --> 00:37:50,589 you set up a spark in the middle of the 866 00:37:54,059 --> 00:37:52,359 room you can imagine what that 867 00:37:56,970 --> 00:37:54,069 high-speed film camera will show you 868 00:37:58,109 --> 00:37:56,980 it'll be like an explosion and expanding 869 00:38:00,450 --> 00:37:58,119 out where it is this bubble that's 870 00:38:03,569 --> 00:38:00,460 growing and it's very bright because its 871 00:38:05,729 --> 00:38:03,579 rating energy that's that's continuing 872 00:38:08,400 --> 00:38:05,739 the explosion process and what's really 873 00:38:11,460 --> 00:38:08,410 happening is the the molecules that were 874 00:38:14,009 --> 00:38:11,470 methane and oxygen and nitrogen are 875 00:38:16,440 --> 00:38:14,019 being converted into different form like 876 00:38:17,530 --> 00:38:16,450 carbon sort whatever behind that 877 00:38:20,230 --> 00:38:17,540 deflagration way 878 00:38:22,570 --> 00:38:20,240 and we being left behind there's a lot 879 00:38:25,090 --> 00:38:22,580 of turbulence in the wake of this so 880 00:38:26,980 --> 00:38:25,100 that's kind of how the universe grew but 881 00:38:29,620 --> 00:38:26,990 keep in mind that the total mass of the 882 00:38:31,330 --> 00:38:29,630 room doesn't change it's just converted 883 00:38:33,490 --> 00:38:31,340 from one form to another and the same 884 00:38:34,990 --> 00:38:33,500 thing is with the universe the total 885 00:38:38,080 --> 00:38:35,000 mass of the universe was already 886 00:38:40,960 --> 00:38:38,090 determined by this matrix that extends 887 00:38:42,970 --> 00:38:40,970 out to infinity so all that happens 888 00:38:45,100 --> 00:38:42,980 during this deflagration wave is a 889 00:38:47,680 --> 00:38:45,110 conversion from one form of matter into 890 00:38:49,480 --> 00:38:47,690 another the one other analogy that he 891 00:38:52,120 --> 00:38:49,490 gives because it's so good that I have 892 00:38:55,630 --> 00:38:52,130 to give it imagine you're standing on a 893 00:38:57,310 --> 00:38:55,640 corner okay and a potato truck drives by 894 00:38:59,440 --> 00:38:57,320 now when was the last time you had a 895 00:39:02,320 --> 00:38:59,450 potato truck drive by anyway he picked 896 00:39:03,670 --> 00:39:02,330 the potato truck and it drives by and 897 00:39:05,830 --> 00:39:03,680 you know the potatoes are falling off 898 00:39:08,170 --> 00:39:05,840 the back of the truck it's beating on 899 00:39:10,540 --> 00:39:08,180 down the road 30 miles an hour and it's 900 00:39:13,180 --> 00:39:10,550 dropping potatoes as it go so you helped 901 00:39:14,890 --> 00:39:13,190 to happen to have a radar gun in your 902 00:39:17,500 --> 00:39:14,900 pocket you know you always carry one of 903 00:39:19,840 --> 00:39:17,510 those and you whip it out and you take 904 00:39:22,330 --> 00:39:19,850 some data you look at the potatoes just 905 00:39:24,360 --> 00:39:22,340 up the road a little ways and record the 906 00:39:26,470 --> 00:39:24,370 speed versus distance and then you keep 907 00:39:27,940 --> 00:39:26,480 recording data and finally get to the 908 00:39:29,620 --> 00:39:27,950 ones that have just fallen off the truck 909 00:39:31,180 --> 00:39:29,630 and you write that down you know 30 910 00:39:35,050 --> 00:39:31,190 miles an hour and there's six blocks 911 00:39:38,590 --> 00:39:35,060 away and then you plot this data okay 912 00:39:41,230 --> 00:39:38,600 and then you can the data shows that the 913 00:39:43,120 --> 00:39:41,240 further out the potatoes are the faster 914 00:39:44,770 --> 00:39:43,130 they're going now you don't say these 915 00:39:46,180 --> 00:39:44,780 are potatoes you just plot the data you 916 00:39:48,070 --> 00:39:46,190 hand it to someone you say what do you 917 00:39:50,200 --> 00:39:48,080 think of that and they're going to say 918 00:39:52,810 --> 00:39:50,210 wow whatever it's happening it looks 919 00:39:55,540 --> 00:39:52,820 like it's accelerating well you and I 920 00:39:58,090 --> 00:39:55,550 know it's not it's decelerating as a 921 00:40:00,970 --> 00:39:58,100 linear momentum is being transferred 922 00:40:03,850 --> 00:40:00,980 into angular momentum as potatoes start 923 00:40:06,520 --> 00:40:03,860 to cut humble so that's a good analogy 924 00:40:09,720 --> 00:40:06,530 yes very good well we're just about out 925 00:40:12,760 --> 00:40:09,730 of time a couple of quick questions 926 00:40:15,550 --> 00:40:12,770 first of all where can someone find your 927 00:40:18,190 --> 00:40:15,560 book they can find all of my books on 928 00:40:20,440 --> 00:40:18,200 Amazon or Barnes and Noble or they can 929 00:40:23,710 --> 00:40:20,450 go to a bookstore and order they're all 930 00:40:27,600 --> 00:40:23,720 available as paper books or ebooks or 931 00:40:30,579 --> 00:40:27,610 they can go to my website which is wwan 932 00:40:34,630 --> 00:40:30,589 log that's one word alien log 933 00:40:36,670 --> 00:40:34,640 dot-com and they can read about my books 934 00:40:39,309 --> 00:40:36,680 a little bit and also there's a button 935 00:40:40,809 --> 00:40:39,319 they can push to buy not where they can 936 00:40:42,819 --> 00:40:40,819 buy the books and takes them it links 937 00:40:44,979 --> 00:40:42,829 them right to Amazon if they click the 938 00:40:46,450 --> 00:40:44,989 Amazon button right through the place 939 00:40:49,630 --> 00:40:46,460 where the book is or they can go to 940 00:40:51,039 --> 00:40:49,640 Barnes & Noble or they can download an 941 00:40:54,339 --> 00:40:51,049 order form if they want an autographed 942 00:40:56,140 --> 00:40:54,349 copy and mail that to me and I will sign 943 00:40:58,239 --> 00:40:56,150 the book and send it off to him great 944 00:41:01,359 --> 00:40:58,249 and do you have any future projects 945 00:41:04,989 --> 00:41:01,369 lined up yes i'm working on alien log 3 946 00:41:07,930 --> 00:41:04,999 and the title is alien log 3 the Dulce 947 00:41:11,170 --> 00:41:07,940 affair and for people who are in the 948 00:41:13,660 --> 00:41:11,180 know as far as you follow gee that 949 00:41:16,870 --> 00:41:13,670 conjures up some bad stuff the Dulce 950 00:41:19,719 --> 00:41:16,880 affair is based on stories about the 951 00:41:22,719 --> 00:41:19,729 Dulce base in Dulce New Mexico and 952 00:41:27,670 --> 00:41:22,729 supposedly an underground base where our 953 00:41:30,279 --> 00:41:27,680 military is working with ETS bad ETS to 954 00:41:33,400 --> 00:41:30,289 do bad things and my characters get 955 00:41:35,890 --> 00:41:33,410 involved in that I saw a show on UFO 956 00:41:39,099 --> 00:41:35,900 hunters about that and and when I spoke 957 00:41:41,529 --> 00:41:39,109 to bill birnes he told me that that was 958 00:41:45,579 --> 00:41:41,539 one of the freakiest situations that he 959 00:41:48,069 --> 00:41:45,589 had ever got involved in yes a lot of my 960 00:41:50,680 --> 00:41:48,079 research and a lot of my data if you 961 00:41:53,440 --> 00:41:50,690 will comes from a book called UFO 962 00:41:55,420 --> 00:41:53,450 highways by anthony sanchez and the 963 00:41:59,200 --> 00:41:55,430 first path of his book is an interview 964 00:42:01,299 --> 00:41:59,210 with Colonel x who was there but of 965 00:42:04,539 --> 00:42:01,309 course is remaining anonymous because 966 00:42:06,940 --> 00:42:04,549 he's got first-hand knowledge and if he 967 00:42:09,009 --> 00:42:06,950 starts talking about it and couldn't and 968 00:42:12,009 --> 00:42:09,019 they know who he is he will somehow 969 00:42:13,749 --> 00:42:12,019 manage to die that's where I'm getting a 970 00:42:16,870 --> 00:42:13,759 lot of my information and you know I'm 971 00:42:18,190 --> 00:42:16,880 writing science fiction so if you know 972 00:42:20,559 --> 00:42:18,200 I'm not trying to take liberties because 973 00:42:24,579 --> 00:42:20,569 I pride myself in being very accurate in 974 00:42:26,349 --> 00:42:24,589 what I say to the extent that the 975 00:42:29,589 --> 00:42:26,359 information that my characters give out 976 00:42:31,209 --> 00:42:29,599 is is I give references in the back of 977 00:42:33,670 --> 00:42:31,219 these science fiction books which is 978 00:42:35,769 --> 00:42:33,680 unusual though the bike by chapter you 979 00:42:38,559 --> 00:42:35,779 can actually research what my characters 980 00:42:41,019 --> 00:42:38,569 said before we go just just one more 981 00:42:43,450 --> 00:42:41,029 question comes to mind here and that has 982 00:42:44,200 --> 00:42:43,460 to do with skeptics that constantly say 983 00:42:46,900 --> 00:42:44,210 how could they 984 00:42:49,690 --> 00:42:46,910 possibly be visiting us here when the 985 00:42:52,300 --> 00:42:49,700 nearest star is four and a half 986 00:42:55,990 --> 00:42:52,310 light-years away what's your what's your 987 00:42:58,329 --> 00:42:56,000 theory on that well the key to that is 988 00:43:01,290 --> 00:42:58,339 this the ability to accelerated very 989 00:43:04,660 --> 00:43:01,300 high rates and UFOs have been clocked 990 00:43:07,839 --> 00:43:04,670 with radar and other means of as 991 00:43:09,880 --> 00:43:07,849 accelerating at a 100 GS that doesn't 992 00:43:11,170 --> 00:43:09,890 mean they're limited to that rate but if 993 00:43:14,500 --> 00:43:11,180 we could build a craft that could 994 00:43:19,140 --> 00:43:14,510 accelerate at 100 GS you get to very 995 00:43:25,120 --> 00:43:21,550 relativity kicks in as you approach the 996 00:43:28,000 --> 00:43:25,130 speed of light Betty and Barney Hill had 997 00:43:30,880 --> 00:43:28,010 abductors that supposedly was determined 998 00:43:33,550 --> 00:43:30,890 later came from zeta 1 and 2 Reticuli 999 00:43:37,510 --> 00:43:33,560 and that's a system that's about 40 1000 00:43:39,730 --> 00:43:37,520 light-years away well if you had this 1001 00:43:42,700 --> 00:43:39,740 craft I described that get accelerated a 1002 00:43:45,220 --> 00:43:42,710 hundred GS you would be there in less 1003 00:43:47,560 --> 00:43:45,230 than one month according to the calendar 1004 00:43:49,839 --> 00:43:47,570 on your vehicle now that's in the 1005 00:43:53,109 --> 00:43:49,849 instant acceleration of constant 1006 00:43:56,050 --> 00:43:53,119 acceleration 100 G's your calendar would 1007 00:43:57,460 --> 00:43:56,060 say you got there in one month and of 1008 00:44:00,099 --> 00:43:57,470 course the unfortunate thing is if you 1009 00:44:03,820 --> 00:44:00,109 turn around and come back to you two 1010 00:44:07,630 --> 00:44:03,830 months later the world would have sped 1011 00:44:10,180 --> 00:44:07,640 ahead about 80 years you know so that's 1012 00:44:12,490 --> 00:44:10,190 one of the problems but that's one oh 1013 00:44:14,859 --> 00:44:12,500 wait that's how you do time travel yeah 1014 00:44:16,359 --> 00:44:14,869 yeah well that's interesting well thanks 1015 00:44:18,940 --> 00:44:16,369 so much this has been great talking to 1016 00:44:21,250 --> 00:44:18,950 you today and thanks for joining us and